In the beginning, there were mathematicians and electricians. Then came the electrical engineers, followed by computers (who were people), next the "hackers" (clever ones, not malicious), computer scientists and specialists in computation (like me), followed by software engineering that really didn't pan out, followed by computer engineering that seemed to work, followed by a weird transition where the CS, EE, and CE people went from programming to being programmers, to the devolution I first saw in the early 2000's - the "coders". That's what we have at M$FT. And ironically after switching from the electronics/computer industry after 25+ years, the astronomy field that pays my bills is now less about observing and more about data pipelines and computing. However, I remain optimistic. I am less optimistic about the reincarnation of Eric's dog as M$FT new CTO.